Let's accept - at least for the moment - that these relics are not forgeries or imaginative constructs by ancient craftsmen, and that referenced DNA and physiological reports are true. Immediately, I am struck by the intellectual crime of giving them the silent treatment. For years, I read Archaeology magazine from cover to cover, and certainly would not have forgotten a serious article about such a startling find. Instead, we get cowardly silence - not even a refutation. Why? What are the risks of skeptical exploration of unexplained archaeology? Who is thus served? In days gone by, one might have blamed the Church, but that doesn't seem sensible in our time. Officially-propagated COVID lies and hoaxes have political and economic underpinnings, but what powerful bodies are advanced by burying these findings? The genuine scientific community needs to aggressively bring the hammer down on the imposters behind this disgrace.
Anyway... The creatures' cognitive status might possess sub- or super-human intelligence(s), or both, given that the relics reflect more than one species. The former case is amazing enough, but the latter case suggests possible answers to lingering mysteries of inexplicable ancient accomplishments. I can hardly wait to read about discoveries that further investigation will likely offer!
It looks like at least one strong possibility is the Elohim of the Old Testament were particularly nasty aliens (the evidence is in several other religious traditions/texts, e.g. Sumerian, the Vedas).
There's also the story of the Nummo related in the oral history of the Dogon tribe, and beings with similar morphology are found in other traditions, and stories that hint at the existence of these beings.
It could also be a combination of any or all of these. There's no reason to assume, given the vastness of the cosmos, that any number of advanced civilizations exist and may be stopping by for various reasons.
Some ancient human civilization made genetic selection of human beings. Many past civilizations made genetic selection of animals and plants, maybe they did the same for humans as well, for religious ot other reasons.
Thanks for an extremely interesting post - I didn't know about this stuff.
I feel like #1, the convergent evolution of aliens story, can be ruled out. Our genomes are extremely messy, full of trash that pretty obviously serves no direct purpose and is not materially subject to evolutionary pressure. I cannot believe aliens would arrive at anything like the same structure and meta-content - for a simplistic example, the same number of chromosomes - because they fill a similar niche as us on a different planet. Anyway this should be testable by observing genomes in convergent evolution among terrestrial species.
For #2, I don't see the need to bring in UFOs etc. Its natural of course to look for a single explanation that covers a bunch of separate observations, but i think that's likely a function of our minds and ways of attempting understanding, rather than necessarily reality. At any rate, the hypothesis as a whole seems greatly weakened by this without some specific connections between these mummies and UFOs.
As for my explanations, based on just reading your post, if there's some compelling evidence the nasca mummies are real it would be good to see that laid out - but there's not so I'd go for hoax. The ata mummy seems real (tho where is eg the basis for 3m SNPs?), but also a lot less weird so I'd guess at genetic condition or humanoid species which has disappeared.
Sorry to be so late to this party. It slid off the bottom of my inbox, somehow.
I am intrigued by Maria, with "1/3 human DNA" and 1/6 other species, with half not identifiable.
No breasts or umbilicus, so what is her reproductive scheme?
Josefina with 3 eggs and no teeth, is small, with birdlike and reptilian features, but hominid form.
Josefina has a copper alloy implant in her chest, and what was her food with that minimalist mouth?
These mummies seems to be preserved similarly and are of 1700-1800 year age by carbon dating.
They seem like they might be projects. An extraterrestrial species might work on projects on our planet, if it is very different from their own world, something like artificial intermediary species, ambassadors or regents. They could find successful traits in a variety of terrestrial species, which might support features they would like to add for functionalities more similar to their own. Josefina having eggs and a copper alloy implant in her chest are both interesting. One wonders if the copper alloy implant would be functional, therapeutic, decorative in some way, or added after death for some reason.
There's a line of possibility introduced in a few different 'The Why Files' episodes (You can find the show on Youtube. I highly recommend it. If you've yet to see it, know that he starts with the "conspiracy theory" story and then he argues against it. Sometimes the conspiracy largely stays on the table; sometimes it's mostly dis-proven, in any case, he's interested in anomalies & unanswered questions. You have to watch it until the end to learn how he thinks, and, often, in the making of the show he comes to believe more than he initially did). In broad strokes, an idea he presents would be that we arrived far in the distant past, (similar to the superman story) ensconced within (protected by) specifically-crafted-containers and that, similar to creatures that live in extreme niches, we've evolved to survive. If that's a possible origin story for us, then that could be a possibility for the mummies you describe.
There's a line of possibility introduced in a few different 'The Why Files' episodes (You can find the show on Youtube. I highly recommend it. If you've yet to see it, know that he starts with the "conspiracy theory" story and then he argues against it. Sometimes the conspiracy largely stays on the table; sometimes it's mostly dis-proven, in any case, he's interested in anomalies & unanswered questions. You have to watch it until the end to learn how he thinks, and, often, in the making of the show he comes to believe more than he initially did). In broad strokes, an idea he presents would be that we arrived far in the distant past, (similar to the superman story) ensconced within (protected by) specifically-crafted-containers and that, similar to creatures that live in extreme niches, we've evolved to survive. If that's a possible origin story for us, then that could be a possibility for the mummies you describe.
Let's accept - at least for the moment - that these relics are not forgeries or imaginative constructs by ancient craftsmen, and that referenced DNA and physiological reports are true. Immediately, I am struck by the intellectual crime of giving them the silent treatment. For years, I read Archaeology magazine from cover to cover, and certainly would not have forgotten a serious article about such a startling find. Instead, we get cowardly silence - not even a refutation. Why? What are the risks of skeptical exploration of unexplained archaeology? Who is thus served? In days gone by, one might have blamed the Church, but that doesn't seem sensible in our time. Officially-propagated COVID lies and hoaxes have political and economic underpinnings, but what powerful bodies are advanced by burying these findings? The genuine scientific community needs to aggressively bring the hammer down on the imposters behind this disgrace.
Anyway... The creatures' cognitive status might possess sub- or super-human intelligence(s), or both, given that the relics reflect more than one species. The former case is amazing enough, but the latter case suggests possible answers to lingering mysteries of inexplicable ancient accomplishments. I can hardly wait to read about discoveries that further investigation will likely offer!
It looks like at least one strong possibility is the Elohim of the Old Testament were particularly nasty aliens (the evidence is in several other religious traditions/texts, e.g. Sumerian, the Vedas).
There's also the story of the Nummo related in the oral history of the Dogon tribe, and beings with similar morphology are found in other traditions, and stories that hint at the existence of these beings.
It could also be a combination of any or all of these. There's no reason to assume, given the vastness of the cosmos, that any number of advanced civilizations exist and may be stopping by for various reasons.
My story:
Some ancient human civilization made genetic selection of human beings. Many past civilizations made genetic selection of animals and plants, maybe they did the same for humans as well, for religious ot other reasons.
Thanks for an extremely interesting post - I didn't know about this stuff.
I feel like #1, the convergent evolution of aliens story, can be ruled out. Our genomes are extremely messy, full of trash that pretty obviously serves no direct purpose and is not materially subject to evolutionary pressure. I cannot believe aliens would arrive at anything like the same structure and meta-content - for a simplistic example, the same number of chromosomes - because they fill a similar niche as us on a different planet. Anyway this should be testable by observing genomes in convergent evolution among terrestrial species.
For #2, I don't see the need to bring in UFOs etc. Its natural of course to look for a single explanation that covers a bunch of separate observations, but i think that's likely a function of our minds and ways of attempting understanding, rather than necessarily reality. At any rate, the hypothesis as a whole seems greatly weakened by this without some specific connections between these mummies and UFOs.
As for my explanations, based on just reading your post, if there's some compelling evidence the nasca mummies are real it would be good to see that laid out - but there's not so I'd go for hoax. The ata mummy seems real (tho where is eg the basis for 3m SNPs?), but also a lot less weird so I'd guess at genetic condition or humanoid species which has disappeared.
Thanks again
Thanks Josh.
Sorry to be so late to this party. It slid off the bottom of my inbox, somehow.
I am intrigued by Maria, with "1/3 human DNA" and 1/6 other species, with half not identifiable.
No breasts or umbilicus, so what is her reproductive scheme?
Josefina with 3 eggs and no teeth, is small, with birdlike and reptilian features, but hominid form.
Josefina has a copper alloy implant in her chest, and what was her food with that minimalist mouth?
These mummies seems to be preserved similarly and are of 1700-1800 year age by carbon dating.
They seem like they might be projects. An extraterrestrial species might work on projects on our planet, if it is very different from their own world, something like artificial intermediary species, ambassadors or regents. They could find successful traits in a variety of terrestrial species, which might support features they would like to add for functionalities more similar to their own. Josefina having eggs and a copper alloy implant in her chest are both interesting. One wonders if the copper alloy implant would be functional, therapeutic, decorative in some way, or added after death for some reason.
Thanks for presenting snacks for thought.
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Thank you for your fascinating substack!
There's a line of possibility introduced in a few different 'The Why Files' episodes (You can find the show on Youtube. I highly recommend it. If you've yet to see it, know that he starts with the "conspiracy theory" story and then he argues against it. Sometimes the conspiracy largely stays on the table; sometimes it's mostly dis-proven, in any case, he's interested in anomalies & unanswered questions. You have to watch it until the end to learn how he thinks, and, often, in the making of the show he comes to believe more than he initially did). In broad strokes, an idea he presents would be that we arrived far in the distant past, (similar to the superman story) ensconced within (protected by) specifically-crafted-containers and that, similar to creatures that live in extreme niches, we've evolved to survive. If that's a possible origin story for us, then that could be a possibility for the mummies you describe.
Thank you for your fascinating substack!
There's a line of possibility introduced in a few different 'The Why Files' episodes (You can find the show on Youtube. I highly recommend it. If you've yet to see it, know that he starts with the "conspiracy theory" story and then he argues against it. Sometimes the conspiracy largely stays on the table; sometimes it's mostly dis-proven, in any case, he's interested in anomalies & unanswered questions. You have to watch it until the end to learn how he thinks, and, often, in the making of the show he comes to believe more than he initially did). In broad strokes, an idea he presents would be that we arrived far in the distant past, (similar to the superman story) ensconced within (protected by) specifically-crafted-containers and that, similar to creatures that live in extreme niches, we've evolved to survive. If that's a possible origin story for us, then that could be a possibility for the mummies you describe.